If a man has made it clear to his kingdom or even just to his local shire that he will not fight women, should the man be forced to stand face to face with a female fighter and say NO to her face? ANSWER: absolutily not. again, in every state NO always means NO. And in every state if she has a weapon, any weapon, anywhere on her person and the man feels threatened she could wind up in jail. And even if she has no weapon, she cannot approach him in any way that causes the man to feel threatened, or to appear threatening, either by words or by use of body language, as that could be seen as creating a hostile environment.
And how to we get around this very sensitive subject? Well the answer is simple, you have the ladies only tourneys and competitions such as the ones at Pennsic and Estrella, so there is no justifiable reason for not having men's only tourneys and competitions. And for those men and women who think that men refusing to fight women is discrimination, it is not. in fact, when I wrote to the SCA asking about this very subject They stated in writing that if a man does not want to fight women. He doesn't have to. also keep in mind that since the SCA is a private nonprofit organization if they wanted to pass a rule Tomorrow morning saying that women could no longer fight. They could do that and not be guilty of gender discrimination. Just like the LPGA can refuse to allow men to play in LPGA sanctioned events on the basis of gender, and not be guilty of discrimination.
Last but not least. I myself am a member of the SCA, and I am bound by honor to be honest, and to be courteous at all times. So must anyone who replies to this topic that is also a member of the SCA. And may everyone have a very pleasant day.
commander

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CommanderWhile I agree on
While I agree on the most part with your Comment, I do not agree with having the female fighters excluded because of a Minority of men refuse to fight them based on their sex.
I feel a better solution would be have a smaller tournment where the Men that do not wish to fight a women can fight, for then they can decided to either re evilate their moral objections, or fight in the smaller tourny, rather then removing the chance for our female fighters to fight against the best
Those who should miss out are those who make the choice. A Man can chose if he does or doesnt fight a woman. A Woman can not chose to be a man or a woman
Gawin Bladwell
men fighting women.
I can not speak for those of
My point of view comes from the groups that I am involded, and the number of women involded and wanting to be involded in combat. These people have a vast range of experince from 20 odd years in the SCA to as new as 3 weeks.
As I said at the top, people shouldnt shunn you for your choice, they should respect that, as you should respect the choice made by female fights to compete.
It isnt like we are fighting for a large amount of Prize money, or the world title ...
Opinons cant be dishonorable, but actions can be ...
opinions
Yes that was in the 1970s
These "feminist" that people are scared to offended. What are they excatly wanting. Equal standing to a guy (which is what they have always wanted)
Using the logic you apply to women fighters above, should each race of people have their own tourniments as well. It was not until years after the African-American Civil Rights Movement, did African-Americans start seeing equal treatment.
Again, I respect your opinon, but request you respect the opinon that all our fighters make, and remember if you make the choice not to fight a female fighter, that is YOUR choice, if she chooses to put her name on the list, that is HER choice.
Now in the post about the woman boxer taking on a man, you said it was humilating for a Man to lose to a Woman ... When I am bested by a fighter on the feild, no matter their gender, I still hold myself with honor.
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"The government" (a vague citation -- which government, and what documented policy?) is not an unassailable moral compass. "The government" once held that slavery was acceptable and that women and minorities couldn't vote. Government policies evolve over time.
Also, being "equal" under the law does not imply being "identical" biologically.
Since when is SCA combat "beating" the opponent? I fight both men and women in the SCA. We don't "beat" each other -- we contend with one another in a mutually-enjoyable contest of skill. Is it wrong in your opinion to play chess against a woman? How about tennis? How about tackle football? I have listed several items in order of increasing "violence", starting with chess which has zero contact, tennis in which the woman could be struck by a ball you hit, and football wherein you deliberately block or tackle against the opponent. Where do you draw the line? How would you react if someone else said it's unchivalrous to play chess against a woman because you might damage her self-esteem? This is ridiculous.
SCA combat, when practiced responsibly, is no more violent than tackle football. If you are "beating" your opponent -- male or female -- then you are hitting too hard. That has nothing to do with gender.
I would never, ever, EVER strike a woman in anger (or anyone, except in self defense or to protect a loved one). On the other hand, I have enough respect for my female opponents on the list field, that I regard them as my equals.
Women on the list field are adults, with thinking minds and trained bodies. They are on the list field because they voluntarily choose to be there, just as I do. They are facing me because they want to test their skill against mine, and allow me to test my skill against theirs. No one is getting hurt. Both of us are having an enjoyable day, getting a good cardiac workout, and making new friends. The warriors I fight -- be they male or female -- deserve and expect that I will do my best against them. (I do make an exception when training a brand-new fighter, but that exception is based on their novice status and the fact that they are not yet able to fully defend themselves. I treat men and women the same in this regard.)
I know plenty of women -- and men -- who do not wish to put on armour and be struck by rattan. They simply don't choose to become fighters. No one is being forced into armour to be "beaten" by someone else.
I fully acknowledge your personal right not to fight women, even though I do not understand your rationale. Corpora says that no SCA combatant can be forced to face another combatant. But to imply that anyone who chooses to meet women as equals on the field of honor is somehow a violent woman-beater is completely wrong.
Chivalry does not mean protecting women; it means protecting the weak. The women who put on armour in the SCA are strong, skilled, and capable. They do not need my protection. They deserve, and will always receive, my respect as an equal.
Justin
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Everyone has a problem facing public humiliation, but I don't think losing to a worthy opponent is humiliating. Period.
It sounds to me as if you have some issues with women. This has nothing to do with the SCA, and a lot to do with your own emotional baggage.
As for the cases you cite of boys who break down emotionally after losing a wrestling match, I will say two things; First, these kids need to be in counseling if they are that insecure about women. Second, these kids' parents need to teach them that school sports are not the be-all, end-all of their lives.
And yes, I'm so cruel and heartless as to say these boys need to "deal with it." Definitely they need some adult guidance and/or professional counseling, but they do need to deal with it, because having an emotional breakdown and quitting school over losing a wrestling match is not a sign of good mental health. You don't get over a mental health issue by denying you have a problem. So yes, they need to deal with it. Not alone, but they need to deal with it.
I do have a title in the SCA, and it is entirely irrelevant here.
Justin
Whether you agree or
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Her Choice
This Woman decided to fight this guy, She sought approval from the board, and organised the event. He has agreed to turn up ... but he is in the wrong ...
Now I am against domestic violence of any sort, this is a contact sport, which competing in it (no matter who it is against) you expect to get hit.
Would you be upset about a woman competing in the Tennis grand slams against men???
What about women Jockeys??
Now again this woman has made the choice to fight a guy, she has convinced a board of men that she will be able to hold her own, and convince an opponent that it will do him so good.
it's the same.
The opinion of an actual woman
If you don't want to fight me because you'd be embarrassed to lose, then you should already be embarrassed -- by your lack of respect for me as an opponent. Do you also refuse to fight novices? Men over 50? There is always the chance of being beaten by a "weaker" opponent. So what? A strong man or woman can lose a fight without losing self-respect.
Refusing to fight the opponent you're assigned is called YIELDING, and it is a choice we always have. If you, "Commander," really consider this a matter of principle, then you should be willing to forfeit the bout in order to adhere to your principle.
If you're not willing to do that, then you are simply trying to rewrite Society rules to suit your notions of what a man's privileges should be. We don't let one person do that.
And by the way, a "Men only" tourney is on exactly the same level as Dennis the Menace putting a sign on his clubhouse saying "No Girls Allowed."
Corpora...
I am sure you have your reasons for not wanting to fight women, and they are valid for you. Not everyone will agree with you on that, however, so in polite conversation, you may find people inquiring as to why you won't do it, or trying to reason it out with you. You will not likely enjoy this.
We all have people we won't or don't want to fight for whatever reason. People should not deride you for not wanting to fight women, as that is your choice, but you will probably have to stick up for your decision.
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